Just to clear up the word "removal", Saleen voluntarily removed himself from our clan.
Thanks,
No goodbye thread, not a voluntary removal. He just deleted his account, and left his name on the roster without further notice. He thinks it's cute to accuse me of lying, then he can travel back in time and make himself an exit thread. Otherwise, I don't care what he thinks. He's done nothing but lie about his actions and other people's actions, in an attempt to blame someone else for his shortcomings.
If Saleen has a response, he can PRIVATE MESSAGE it to me and I will post it here, providing he keeps a minimum of civility. It was his choice to lie and say someone else is at fault for his actions, and it was his choice to cut and run rather than admit wrongdoing that earned him a ban from the servers.
When confronted with a BLATANT lie he made in chat to me, he opted to cut and run rather than answer it. I will post the chat log in it's entirety as it is now public information:
[22:31] §§}S@LeeN©: so can we talk about this now? or what?
[22:32] §§}Compdude: yes
[22:32] §§}S@LeeN©: i feel this is very unfair
[22:32] §§}Compdude: So do I.
[22:32] §§}Compdude: I don't feel you're being honest with us
[22:32] §§}S@LeeN©: yeah, i am
[22:32] §§}S@LeeN©: i have nothing to hide, nothing to gain from lying...i don't lie to people...it serves no purpose[22:33] §§}Compdude: Does Buzzcap have anything against you you know of?
[22:33] §§}Compdude: Cause I'm getting very eloquently worded emails from him about your actions.
[22:33] §§}S@LeeN©: no, last i knew, BuzzCap and I were talking freely on random subjects, he still sends me joke mails and [image]
[22:33] §§}Compdude: I think his observations are on the level then
[22:34] §§}Compdude: You do have a tendency to lose control in the servers
[22:34] §§}S@LeeN©: from what people call losing control, maybe they need to take a look in their direction before pointing a finger
[22:34] §§}S@LeeN©: i only react
[22:34] §§}S@LeeN©: not instigate
[22:34] §§}Compdude: You do have a tendency to blame it on other people
[22:35] §§}S@LeeN©: so when i ask someone a question, and they dance around it, and i ask it again, that's losing control?
[22:35] §§}Compdude: That is not losing control
[22:35] §§}Compdude: throwing a tantrum in the server is losing control
[22:35] §§}S@LeeN©: i haven;t thrown any tantrums with anyone
[22:35] §§}Compdude: changing RCON so you can continue throwing said tantrum is also inappropriate
[22:35] §§}S@LeeN©: wait, WHAT?
[22:36] §§}Compdude: I have logs from Sean to that effect.
[22:36] §§}S@LeeN©: not once have i changed an Rcon to keep people from doing their jobs
[22:36] §§}S@LeeN©: i changed it because i was undercover one day, to keep sean from booting me for watching someone
[22:36] §§}Compdude: January 4th, 2010
[22:36] §§}S@LeeN©: but i wasn't allowed to explain that either, and i left it as is
[22:36] §§}Compdude: He told me you threw a fit and he was unable to remove you because you had changed the rcon
[22:37] §§}S@LeeN©: thats totally exadgerated and not in the slightest right
[22:37] §§}Compdude: Basically end result is you insubordinated a ranking officer
[22:37] §§}Compdude: I have your xfire chat.
[22:37] §§}S@LeeN©: for doing a job that we repeatedly do, and for something that Sean pulls a double standard on me? Every single time Sean enters a server, he checks Rcon, and when he knows he's in there with other admins, he changes it........he did it on my server several times
[22:38] §§}Compdude: He does have that right
[22:38] §§}S@LeeN©: ok, so there we go, Double standard
[22:38] §§}Compdude: not really
[22:38] §§}S@LeeN©: i change it to do a job, and i get persecuted for it
[22:38] §§}Compdude: it woudl be if he was the same rank as you
[22:38] §§}Compdude: It should have raised a flag earlier that nobody has an issue with any of the other admins BUT you.
[22:39] §§}Compdude: Nobody has complained that Sean or Church banned them unfairly, or mistreated them in the server
[22:39] §§}S@LeeN©: no one has a problem, otherwise they'd have the balls to talk directly to me to fix it......in that case, they are just bitching, not being truthful, and only out for self preservation
[22:39] §§}Compdude: that could be chance, also
[22:39] §§}S@LeeN©: People complain about Sean ALL THE TIME, and you know it
[22:40] §§}Compdude: they complain he is too strict, yues
[22:40] §§}Compdude: Even Unholy1 threw a fit about that
[22:40] §§}Compdude: but then again he got banned, too
[22:40] §§}Compdude: But there wasn't any verbal abuse happening.
[22:41] §§}S@LeeN©: i don't verbally abuse people, i know where that line is...
[22:41] §§}S@LeeN©: its not my fault some people are more sensitive than others, and some like to [image] just to get a rise out of people
[22:41] §§}Compdude: I find it set rather far up in your case...
[22:41] §§}Compdude: Also, I'd like you to explain how you were in Halo only once in the past 75 days.
[22:42] §§}S@LeeN©: i didn't remember all instances, i haven't played a lot, only working as a server monitor for a few minutes at a time if at all
[22:42] §§}S@LeeN©: i have been wrapped up in school work for this semester
[22:42] §§}Compdude: I could believe that.
[22:42] §§}S@LeeN©: 12 credits, and i haven't been to school in 12 years, hard to adjust
[22:42] §§}Compdude: Except you flat out stated in your PM that you've only been on once, and that any others are imposters
[22:43] §§}Compdude: We banned the imposter.
[22:43] §§}S@LeeN©: never said about imposters, i just stated the one time i remembered....
[22:43] §§}Compdude: Your Xfire to me said all others were imposters
[22:43] §§}S@LeeN©: i haven't been on a lot since the beginning of the year
[22:43] §§}S@LeeN©: sporatic
[22:43] §§}Compdude: true, but that's more than once.
[22:44] §§}S@LeeN©: yes, but with so many things on my plate, you can't expect me to remember them all
[22:44] §§}Compdude: Then I'd assume you were wise enough to say that you've not been on much, or only sporadically
[22:44] §§}Compdude: not insist on it all being BS and want proof
[22:44] §§}Compdude: you got the proof.
[22:45] §§}Compdude: Reread your PM.
[22:45] §§}S@LeeN©: well, when i have to wait 3 days to talk to anyone, without proof, without acknowledging things....and with other people who have nothing to do with this, knowing more than me about this.....kinda made me angry that this was allowed out before it was even talked about
[22:45] §§}Compdude: You didn't have to wait three days
[22:45] §§}Compdude: I sent you notice within 30 seconds
[22:46] §§}Compdude: I waited till Monday before I even saw you sign on
[22:46] §§}S@LeeN©: notice of what? demotion? i was gone all weekend out of town to come home to that PM
[22:46] §§}S@LeeN©: i randomly log onto the forum to scan the main page to see whats new, and sign off mainly right now, just to keep up...
[22:47] §§}S@LeeN©: if i have PM's, i save them till i can sit down and read them
[22:48] §§}Compdude: Your behavior in GsC's server was the final straw, though.
[22:48] §§}S@LeeN©: my behavior? so no one talked about what 3 of their recruits were doing? and one of their full members?
[22:48] §§}Compdude: Atomik and I go back further than you and I do- I think he's telling the truth.
[22:49] §§}S@LeeN©: really, so when Atomik was asked to show where the portals are....which Berch said to do if you don't know, Atomik and 2 other recruits basically told me to [image] off in so many words
[22:49] §§}S@LeeN©: and the full GsC member, bring q77e, allowed it
[22:49] §§}S@LeeN©: being, not bring
[22:50] §§}Compdude: It's not like we haven't refused to show portals before...
[22:50] §§}Compdude: especially if a game is going
[22:50] §§}S@LeeN©: brb
[22:54] §§}S@LeeN©: back, had to get laptop for fiance
[22:55] §§}Compdude: ok
[22:55] §§}S@LeeN©: shes in bed with back problems
[22:55] §§}Compdude: gotcha
[22:59] §§}S@LeeN©: so what was done about them?
[22:59] §§}S@LeeN©: nothing i assume
[22:59] §§}Compdude: done about who?
[22:59] §§}S@LeeN©: the 3 gsc recruits and q77e
[23:00] §§}Compdude: Nothing, at this point
[23:00] §§}S@LeeN©: just what i thought
[23:01] §§}Compdude: Atomik indicated that you instigated the fight, and would not back down even after the recruits shut the hell up.
[23:01] §§}S@LeeN©: actually, i left the server, and i talked to Berch in the server
[23:04] §§}S@LeeN©: i only asked them in the server why they play that way and think its funny to spawn kill and treat an allied clan member that way....asked if that is what they are teaching their recruits and maybe they should teach them on V8 SDTM without the cheap portals....
[23:04] §§}S@LeeN©: brb again
[23:04] §§}Compdude: ok
[23:15] §§}S@LeeN©: ugh, i can't finish a drink LOL, kid was up this time...
[23:16] §§}S@LeeN©: anyway, i would have hoped that you would defend me instead of allowing them to slander the situation...
[23:16] §§}S@LeeN©: because what GsC says happened there, isn't what happened by far..
[23:16] §§}S@LeeN©: because obviously things got exadgerated
[23:18] §§}Compdude: They may have, yes
[23:18] §§}Compdude: but I have people who worked with you back in the SDTM days telling me they think it may have been giving you too much credit, as well.
[23:19] §§}S@LeeN©: like who? people who ruined their own credibility daily over little crap?
[23:19] §§}Compdude: lol
[23:19] §§}S@LeeN©: like Aero, Decoy, etc?
[23:19] §§}Compdude: both them and the ones who didn't
[23:19] §§}Compdude: no
[23:19] §§}Compdude: I wouldn't take their opinion any farther than I can see it
[23:19] §§}Compdude: Decoy least of all
[23:20] §§}Compdude: backstabbing little +++++++
[23:20] §§}S@LeeN©: you have to understand that there are tons of backstabbers besides him, some poeple that you might be aquainted with, some not so much, that would do anything to cause mayhem anywhere they go, opportunists
[23:20] §§}Compdude: yeah, I know
[23:20] §§}S@LeeN©: they might not do it around you, but they do it to others regularly
[23:21] §§}Compdude: Would you count Squirrel in with them?
[23:21] §§}Compdude: my interaction with him has been minimal
[23:21] §§}S@LeeN©: squirrel has had his issues, he hasn't been online in a long time, i mean a long time....atleast that i know of.....and last he and i talked, it was good
[23:21] §§}Compdude: he told me this about you right before cs] dissolved
[23:22] §§}S@LeeN©: LOL, ok, over 2 years ago
[23:22] §§}S@LeeN©: when Squirrel was in his prime with problem causing
[23:22] §§}Compdude: in fact, just about everyone told me I was making a mistake giving you any rank at all
[23:22] §§}Compdude: and that you would do just this
[23:22] §§}Compdude: Back in your previous position it didnt' matter much
[23:23] §§}S@LeeN©: actually, when it comes down to it, they all got proven wrong, because they tried this before when ZS went down.......i left there because of it......but then the tides got turned on them
[23:23] §§}Compdude: You were the final say in most of the servers, what you did and said didn't reflect on anyone but yourself
[23:23] §§}S@LeeN©: their little "clicks" started having problems....too many chiefs, not enough indians
[23:23] §§}Compdude: cliques
[23:23] §§}S@LeeN©: however you spell that
[23:24] §§}Compdude: Your style is best suited for free admin environments like the early SDTM days
[23:24] §§}Compdude: where what you did didn't reflect on a particular clan so much
[23:24] §§}S@LeeN©: i was the final say, because i had rules made that an entire clan agreed on, meaning ZS and RG.....yet when their friends broke the rules, they decided the rules weren't good enough...because they missed their whiney friends
[23:25] §§}Compdude: true enough
[23:25] §§}Compdude: but here, your actions reflect on the administration directly
[23:25] §§}Compdude: eventually the negative press becomes suffocating.
[23:25] §§}S@LeeN©: you and i have the same thing.....we make the rules.....we have different ways of doing it, but in order for them to work....you have to stand your ground
[23:26] §§}S@LeeN©: i stand my ground when i know people are full of [image] ....and this is what happens
[23:26] §§}Compdude: yes, except your version of standing ground means assaulting the enemy position with a nuke
[23:26] §§}S@LeeN©: you want my honest opinion on this?
[23:27] §§}S@LeeN©: no person outside the clan should have any say or effect on how this clan runs its administration........too many factors cause problems....obviously.....
[23:27] §§}Compdude: true
[23:27] §§}S@LeeN©: you knew from the beginning that i kinda hide in the woodwork and weed people out
[23:27] §§}S@LeeN©: i might be there physically sometimes, but i am always watching my blind spots and checking on people
[23:29] §§}Compdude: you sort of hide in the woodwork
[23:29] §§}Compdude: people like you about as much as a termite
[23:29] §§}S@LeeN©: and for another "outside" force aka outside clan member to dictate how it should be or suggest at all, with allowing people like Timmeh with his reputation to have any rank at
all......should be barred from any possibility of talking about it
[23:30] §§}Compdude: Timmeh doesn't have any rank in SS
[23:30] §§}S@LeeN©: Next week Timmeh might be joining another clan...
[23:30] §§}Compdude: and absolutely NO say in clan matters
[23:30] §§}S@LeeN©: no, Timmeh instantly got rank in GsC, and he was the first person up my [image] when i signed on Xfire about this
[23:31] §§}S@LeeN©: but he's the first person to quit and join a new clan monthly....
[23:31] §§}S@LeeN©: transient
[23:33] §§}Compdude: actually, to defend timmeh, he wasn't up your [image]
[23:34] §§}Compdude: but you were definitely up it
[23:34] §§}S@LeeN©: so immediately bombarding me about it when i sign on was his right? before i even knew about it...
[23:34] §§}Compdude:
[16:47] [GsC]тiiммεн: Where's the Clan Captain tags?
[16:48] [GsC]тiiммεн: S@leen?
[16:50] §§}S@LeeN©: what does it matter, its your clan that caused this
[23:34] §§}Compdude: he didn't know you got booted, we didn't make a public announcement till later
[23:35] §§}S@LeeN©: he got it from somewhere, because that is timmeh's way of trying to irritate someone
[23:35] §§}S@LeeN©: he's done it before, his history repeats itself
[23:35] §§}Compdude: or you're easily irritated, or both
[23:35] §§}Compdude: I agree he can be annoying late at night, but I just ignore him
[23:36] §§}S@LeeN©: when i am reading a pm about a demotion, and he messages me to heckle about it...yeah i am gonna be irritated
[23:36] §§}Compdude: Lemme boil this down to something bite-size and chewable.
[23:37] §§}S@LeeN©: it doesnt matter how it got out, it did get out though, before you said anything
[23:37] §§}Compdude: So far, I have not seen ONE admission of mistake on your part
[23:37] §§}Compdude: but I've seen plenty of you blaming it on someone else
[23:37] §§}S@LeeN©: because i didn't even know what i was being accused of
[23:37] §§}S@LeeN©: till now
[23:37] §§}S@LeeN©: thats why i was so animate on showing the proof
[23:37] §§}S@LeeN©: but there's that dangling carrot again
[23:37] §§}Compdude: You seemed to know enough about it to tell him his clan was the reason.
[23:38] §§}S@LeeN©: yeah, then you brought in the buzzcap issue.....which to me is withholding information to what i can talk about
[23:38] §§}Compdude: True enough, but Buzz requested I withhold his name from the matter unless absolutely needed
[23:39] §§}S@LeeN©: so its fair to me to withhold any of it, even if you changed names on it? so i can't fairly defend myself?
[23:39] §§}Compdude: I didn't withold it
[23:39] §§}S@LeeN©: then 2 days of me asking for it, and being ignored meant what?
[23:40] §§}Compdude: meant that we saw no justification to show it to you at the time
[23:40] §§}Compdude: you were too busy arguing that you were only on halo once and it couldn't possibly be you
[23:40] §§}S@LeeN©: so what happens in a real court, when evidence is withheld?
[23:41] §§}Compdude: I don't have to bring out all the evidence at once
[23:41] §§}Compdude: I can take you to task right on the spot with what you say for the record
[23:41] §§}S@LeeN©: if the other party is not aware, the judge 99% of the time will deem it inadmissible
[23:41] §§}Compdude: And, Buzzcap's report is not evidence in the matter of your behavior in the GsC server
[23:42] §§}Compdude: Consider it to be an anonymous tip that you are suspect in a crime
[23:42] §§}Compdude: we just waited to see how long it would take for it to happen
[23:42] §§}Compdude: and it happened really fast too
[23:42] §§}S@LeeN©: crime huh? lemme see? a set up?
[23:42] §§}Compdude: no
[23:43] §§}S@LeeN©: sounds like it
[23:43] §§}S@LeeN©: so what crime did i commit then?
[23:43] §§}Compdude: verbal assault and mental anguish of server participants
[23:43] §§}S@LeeN©: LOL, with what proof, because i am precise and to the point, i don't assault people
[23:44] §§}Compdude: firsthand reports from people in the server
[23:44] §§}S@LeeN©: is there proof still?
[23:44] §§}Compdude: yes
[23:44] §§}S@LeeN©: first hand means nothing without proof
[23:45] §§}Compdude: I guess we could get Sister back out here, I'm sure he would love to say something
[23:45] §§}Compdude: his courtroom case takes a much different light now than it did then
[23:46] §§}S@LeeN©: oh really? when people purposely go in servers in order to go after someone's integrity and cause issues?
[23:47] §§}Compdude: No, when you use language and manner in an attempt to get a rise from someone's reactions
[23:47] §§}S@LeeN©: you can say all you want about me not saying one remorseful thing yet......because i am still taking all this in....
[23:47] §§}Compdude: Oh, btw, you made another fallacy just earlier
[23:48] §§}Compdude: maybe you want to revise that about Timmeh crawling up your [image] just as you got on xfire?
[23:48] §§}Compdude: since this is supposedly a court of law, you could be had for perjury there.
[23:49] §§}S@LeeN©: we can continue this later, i have to go take care of my family...
[23:49] §§}S@LeeN©: and get sleep for work and school[23:49] §§}Compdude: 10-4
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S@LeeN©: so why you guys gotta lie?
§§}Chµrch{CM}: I don't recall any lies
S@LeeN©: Saleen has been removed from the clan and banned from all servers.
S@LeeN©: i wasnt removed
S@LeeN©: i left
S@LeeN©: just so you guys can save face, you change the truth
S@LeeN©: and banning me from all servers? what warrants that?
§§}Chµrch{CM}: ask compdude
§§}Chµrch{CM}: it was his choice
S@LeeN©: tell the +++++ to get online, because he is a lying little punk
§§}Chµrch{CM}: well since I dont have his phone number, thats kind of hard to do
S@LeeN©: this is exactly what i suspected of all along......self preservation of people who don't honestly derserve to have that type of control
§§}Chµrch{CM}: I'll be back in 10
§§}Chµrch{CM}: minutes*
§§}Chµrch{CM}: back
S@LeeN©: so since compdude isn't online, what is the reason i am to be banned from all the servers?
S@LeeN©: is he scared i might speak the truth?
§§}Chµrch{CM}: he ordered the ban, after that, idk
S@LeeN©: its because he is affraid of what i might say
S@LeeN©: and he has still not come up with proof that warrants any of what happened.....
S@LeeN©: he is too proud and won't admit he might be wrong and i am right about people he associates with
S@LeeN©: so his only way to keep the truth away was to get rid of me
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